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Aug. 31st, 2009

01:38 am - Furries: the only exhibitionists on the planet?

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Y'know how occasionally in non-furry-related fora, the topic of furries comes up? And y'know how inevitably there'll be people on one side defending it and people on the other side complaining about it?

One complaint I've noticed a few times lately is that furries tend to "shove their fetish in people's faces", as opposed to practically every actual fetish out there.

My response: We do? Where? When? And conversely: Nobody else does? Really? Not even BDSM or lolicon?

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From:tracerj
Date:August 31st, 2009 03:23 am (UTC)
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It's just a cheap attempt to frame the anthro stuff as a fetish as though that made it something to keep to oneself.

I like turning things around with handshakes (inspired by Wizard of Speed and Time). What? You want to shake some part of my body just to say hello or goodbye? Keep your tactile fetishism to yourself, thanks. Anthro critters have been around way longer than handshakes, buddy, so don't tell me it's tradition!
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:August 31st, 2009 03:57 am (UTC)
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Yeah, I've been trying to figure out exactly what these people mean, and I guess what they're referring to is using one's fursona as a name or avatar image in a non-furry forum, i.e., that logging on as "Robert Skunk" with an avatar of your skunk character (seen only from the neck up) drawn by Erin Middendorf or some other wonderful artist means you're FLAUNTING YOUR FETISH IN PUBLIC, OMG HORRIBLE KILL KILL DIE DIE ARGH

...whereas putting up a photo of yourself with your leather cap and vest and handlebar mustache and calling yourself LordOfPain or whatever is jes' fine.

Edited at 2009-08-31 08:02 am (UTC)
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From:vakkotaur
Date:August 31st, 2009 03:48 am (UTC)
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That "argument" reminds me of the fellow who complained about the advertising/recruiting by wiccans and pagans who wear an obvious pentacle. But someone all those folks wearing obvious crosses are not advertising? Uh huh.

As tracerj says, it's a fallacious framing device setting up things so that they have to be defended and a defender will often look weaker than the Nice Guy Image attacker. "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:August 31st, 2009 04:00 am (UTC)
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"My w--... my WIFE?! Do you see a wedding band on this finger? Does this place LOOK like I'm fucking married? Look, I even left the toilet seat up!"

Some questions are unanswerable. For everything else, there's Big Lebowski quotes. :}
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From:krinndnz
Date:August 31st, 2009 04:45 am (UTC)
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Heterosexual-patriarchal culture sure gets its freak on in my face often enough that I wouldn't mind giving back a little.
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:August 31st, 2009 04:54 am (UTC)
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I keep meaning to write a cartoon or comedy skit along these lines:

Straight Guy: "I made sweet sweet love to my wife last night."
Gay Guy: [noncommittal murmur]
Straight Guy: [detailed, slangy bragging/description of various sex acts he performed with his wife]
[Straight Guy notices photo of other man on Gay Guy's desk]
Straight Guy: "Hey, who's that?"
Gay Guy: "That's my boyfriend."
Straight Guy: "Eww! Why do you have to shove your sexuality in my FACE like that?! Why can't you keep it to YOURSELF?!"
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From:deckardcanine
Date:August 31st, 2009 09:22 am (UTC)
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"Clusterfucktastrophe" FTW.
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:August 31st, 2009 12:56 pm (UTC)
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She doesn't even look like she's going to enjoy the sandwich! She looks like a model who's being paid to imitate a blow-up doll, and that and the paycheck are the only things on her mind.

That ad does not make me want a sandwich. All it does is horrify me with the woman's creepy thousand-yard stare.
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From:xydexx
Date:August 31st, 2009 08:46 am (UTC)
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It's because furry fans are the only people in the world who have sex.
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:August 31st, 2009 12:20 pm (UTC)
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I think I've heard that quote somewhere. :} What was the context?
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From:xydexx
Date:September 7th, 2009 08:38 pm (UTC)
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Kage tells the story better than I can. -=)
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From:orv
Date:August 31st, 2009 12:40 pm (UTC)
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That's not exactly a unique complaint. People who oppose equal rights for homosexuals often complain that homosexuals are "shoving their lifestyle in people's faces," too.

What it really means is, "people who are different than me make me uncomfortable, and I wish they'd all go back into the closet so I'd never have to have my world view challenged."

EDIT: Not that some furries don't take it too far, of course...furries who hang furry porn in their living rooms are creepy for the same reason it would be creepy to go into someone's house and find human porn on their walls.

Edited at 2009-08-31 04:42 pm (UTC)
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:August 31st, 2009 12:52 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, but the porn in the living room is only visible to people visiting the furries in person, which I don't think is what most of these people are talking about.

I suppose some of them might be remembering something they read somewhere, where this guy and his friend visited a friend of the friend, who was a furry and he had furry porn up all over the place and omg the guy was so creeped out! And these people remember anecdotes like that and blow them up into false generalizations.
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From:orv
Date:August 31st, 2009 01:08 pm (UTC)
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I'm sure that's a lot of it.

Also, keep in mind that furries' worst enemies are mostly in two groups: other furries, and self-hating ex-furries. Most of the really nasty stuff comes from there. People who are really outside the fandom mostly either have never heard of it, or see it essentially like Star Trek fandom — a group of harmless freaks that are amusing on occasion, but mostly beneath their notice.
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:August 31st, 2009 08:42 pm (UTC)
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Ugh, yes. Crush Yiff Destroy, anyone?

...No? Good.
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From:kagur
Date:August 31st, 2009 08:12 pm (UTC)
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It could also be that "people who are having lots of fun without feeling horribly guilty about it make me uncomfortable, and I wish they'd all stop having fun and be miserable so I would never have my world view challenged"
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From:orv
Date:August 31st, 2009 09:23 pm (UTC)
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That's probably part of it. Plus religious groups are never really happy without someone to persecute.
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From:thecanuckguy
Date:September 1st, 2009 12:39 am (UTC)
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Or decrying a furry for having nude furry art on his walls and sees nothing wrong with the (replica) "Birth of Venus", or "Liberty Leading the People", or Michelangelo's "David", or "Leda and the Swan" (if that's not medieval furry porn, then I don't have an anthropomorphic lion named Ken as a character) at their place.

The thing that really burns my canole about this whole thing isn't that there's a double standard against furries, but that there's a double standard at all, double standards are one of my biggest peeves.
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From:orv
Date:September 1st, 2009 12:43 am (UTC)
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Well, I think both in "mundane" art and furry art, there's a difference between porn and nudity. It's not always easy to draw a bright line between the two, but if the subject is, ahem, "aroused," it's probably porn. ;)

I thought John Ashcroft showed some ignorance of the difference between the two when he ordered the breasts on the statue of the Spirit of Justice covered, but that's a whole 'nother topic.
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From:deckardcanine
Date:August 31st, 2009 04:26 pm (UTC)
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BTW, seen this?
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:August 31st, 2009 08:33 pm (UTC)
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Yes, I have. :}

SonicBlu and I sometimes joke along those lines when we meet at furry cons. We pretend we're at "HumanCon" where he's "Mr. Johnson" and I'm "Mr. Perkins" and we wear business suits (not for reals) and carry briefcases (imaginary ones) and so on.
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:August 31st, 2009 08:18 pm (UTC)
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So basically it's like hating Paris Hilton for that sex tape she was in, which was released without her consent (and possibly even filmed without her knowledge).
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From:orv
Date:September 1st, 2009 12:43 am (UTC)
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DEATH PANELS!
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:September 1st, 2009 02:13 am (UTC)
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I had death paneling installed in my reading room. It gives the place a touch of class!
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From:vakkotaur
Date:September 2nd, 2009 04:20 am (UTC)
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They are truly the last word in decor.
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