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Jun. 5th, 2008

02:47 am - YouTube, QUIT IT

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YouTube has been messing around with the design of their video widget quite a bit lately.

Y'know, I can learn to live with the lack of a rewind-to-start button. Sometimes the widget has a weird color scheme for some reason, but I don't even care about that. For some reason, if I wait too long before clicking "play" on an embedded video it'll tell me "We're sorry, this video is no longer available", and I recently figured out that doesn't necessarily mean the video's been deleted, it may just mean I have to reload the page to see the video; this is a mere speedbump. And the inability to seek to anywhere in the video except at a few oddly-spaced points...

...doesn't PISS ME OFF as much as the volume slider being placed in a popup box instead of contained within the navigation bar! There's almost no way to make the damn thing sink back out of sight! Well, I seem to have found one way: pause the video. But that's DUMB, I want it to just GO AWAY and let me watch the video in PEACE, I don't want to INTERRUPT the video just to make a damn BOX go away!

YouTube... bring back the old volume slider. Bring. Back. The. Old. Volume. Slider.

Current Mood: annoyedannoyed
Current Music: Weezer - Pork and Beans

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From:jugularjaguar
Date:June 5th, 2008 04:32 am (UTC)

Look who is up late

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I noticed the volume slider missing also recently. I thought it was because I was looking at it on someone's LJ is all. that sucks.

Yeah, Don't make KT angry Mr. YouTube, You wouldn't like him when he's angry.


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From:deckardcanine
Date:June 5th, 2008 10:50 am (UTC)

Re: Look who is up late

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KT's already green....
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From:jugularjaguar
Date:June 5th, 2008 02:45 pm (UTC)

Re: Look who is up late

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That is a good point. How about that.
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From:colley
Date:June 5th, 2008 09:27 am (UTC)
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Personally, I miss the ability to make the screen smaller.
Some videos just look better at a smaller size.
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:June 5th, 2008 01:38 pm (UTC)
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My keyboard has no such buttons on it. Let's switch keyboards for a week so you can see what I'm talking about.

You can seek anywhere you want? On YouTube? You lie. What I'm talking about is, for instance: I want to pause the video and drag the slider to 1:01, but YouTube will only let me jump to 0:56 or 1:02, so I have to go to 0:56 and sit through five seconds of the video before I get to see the thing I wanted to see.

Which doesn't sound a big hassle, does it, but it's bullshit, because Quicktime will let me seek smoothly, and show me the video actually moving backwards as I drag the timeline slider to the left, so what's YouTube's problem? Why will it only show me a slideshow of frames roughly 5 seconds apart instead of letting me seek smoothly?
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From:orv
Date:June 5th, 2008 02:45 pm (UTC)
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On a lot of media players you can only jump to keyframes in the video, so a lot depends on how the video was encoded.

A little more explanation: Keyframes are complete images of a video frame. To save bandwidth, most modern video codecs intersperse them with frames that only contain the *changes* since the last keyframe. This causes obvious problems with both seeking and playing backwards, since the player can't render a complete image until it sees a keyframe. The need to wait for a keyframe is also one of the reasons it takes longer to change channels on digital cable systems than it did on analog ones. There's a tradeoff in encoding; fewer keyframes mean less bandwidth, but more keyframes make for easier seeking.
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:June 5th, 2008 08:28 pm (UTC)
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5% of 12 hours is 36 minutes. Yeesh, that's ridiculous!
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From:yakko
Date:June 5th, 2008 04:33 pm (UTC)
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Some videos won't let me seek AT ALL. It is annoying.
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:June 5th, 2008 01:41 pm (UTC)
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That seems to work... sometimes. Mousing over the play/pause button also seems to work... sometimes.

Sometimes isn't GOOD ENOUGH. And there's no excuse for it. What's stopping them from putting a "make this thing go away" button on the popup slider box?

Edited at 2008-06-05 05:42 pm (UTC)
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From:orv
Date:June 5th, 2008 01:47 pm (UTC)
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The problem, I think, is that they're using Flash, which is inherently erratic about...oh, pretty much every mouse event, in my experience. They should be using a "real" video plugin, like RealPlayer or Quicktime. It would be more reliable and less processor intensive. I really don't understand how Flash can max out a 2.0 GHz CPU just to play a tiny video window, but it does!

I also think they should ditch the volume slider altogether, really. I always just use the one in the taskbar, and the little sliders on video players just confuse me when they get turned down by accident. (That is, when they do anything at all, which frequently, they don't.)
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:June 5th, 2008 01:53 pm (UTC)
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My wild guess is they've been using Flash video because it Just Works for Everybody, which (assuming it actually does) is certainly nice. But yeah, at this point why not use something better?

...volume slider in taskbar? What?

You mean the master volume control? I don't like to adjust mine, because I don't like getting the nasty surprise of having my email notification sound blow out my eardrums three hours after watching The World's Quietest Video or whatever.

Edited at 2008-06-05 05:56 pm (UTC)
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From:orv
Date:June 5th, 2008 02:34 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, the master control. I don't like to mess with the individual sliders. I've had some sound cards that would distort the sound if you turned up the individual mixer levels too high, so I generally just set them to a level where they sound OK and leave them alone.

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From:orv
Date:June 5th, 2008 02:46 pm (UTC)
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Actually, now that I think about it, I rarely ever use the master slider, either. Mostly I just reach over and turn the volume knob on the speakers. I'm old-fashioned that way, I guess.
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:June 5th, 2008 08:00 pm (UTC)
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I don't do that either, same reason.
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