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Dec. 9th, 2007

10:31 pm - Planning to see Golden Compass

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I'm planning to see Golden Compass someday this week. That's the movie that Catholics are boycotting and telling people not to let their kids see it because it's an "attack on religion" or whatever. I wonder if there'll be picketers! Anybody who's seen the movie seen it being picketed?

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From:frostyw
Date:December 10th, 2007 01:41 am (UTC)
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Nope. I haven't seen it picketed. Of course, I can't see why the *movie* would be picketed; the book at least had a clearer message. :P
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:December 10th, 2007 01:58 am (UTC)
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Ooo, well you see, the Catholic League says the movie might make kids want to read the book, and if their parents let them read the book, they'll surely turn away from God and condemn themselves to a life of sin and damnation! So you see, the movie is like a... GATEWAY DRUG! *gaspofhorror*
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From:nefaria
Date:December 10th, 2007 09:39 am (UTC)
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I figure that in a world where there's room for Narnia, there's room for the response. Not my cup of tea though.
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From:wbwolf
Date:December 10th, 2007 03:38 am (UTC)
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Given the reviews I've seen, I wouldn't call it a bad movie, just mediocre. Red Zone Cuba or Secret Agent Super Dragon are bad movies; those display a shocking level of incompetence at multiple levels. Golden Compass seems have a few things going for it, but it's not brilliant or even well made like 2001 or Lord Of The Rings. In that respect, I'm sure it's not that dissimilar to most of the Harry Potter movies. I'm still planning on seeing because I like the book, and I want to see if semi-anthropomorphic polar bears can be put on the big screen (and besides that's suppose to be one of the strengths of the film).
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From:fionacat
Date:December 10th, 2007 08:18 am (UTC)
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I'd concur it's not bad, it's just not the uber breakout movie all the buzz was promising.
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From:nefaria
Date:December 10th, 2007 09:37 am (UTC)
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The books are indeed an attack on religion, the Magesterium clearly represents the Catholic church and the heroes kill God in the third book. It's sort of the left-wing equivalent of Pat Robertson. There's even a villain named Mrs. Coulter. If that's your thing, feel free to enjoy.

Personally, as soon as I read that the main character has a telepathic link to a shape-changing animal, I lost my remaining interest, because that's the biggest cliche in children's literature.

Edited at 2007-12-10 12:42 pm (UTC)
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From:deckardcanine
Date:December 10th, 2007 02:19 pm (UTC)
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I didn't see the daemons as cliche so much as too weird for me, especially in a world where most things are quite familiar (NPI). So she lives in England, but they've always had daemons there? And they have a biblical story about Adam & Eve, but the text incorporates daemons? Shouldn't there be either more differences or fewer?

Current IMDb rating for the movie: 6.7, which I consider highly average.
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:December 10th, 2007 10:38 pm (UTC)
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Well, it takes place in a parallel world, not in our own. It's similar to our world, but with differences.
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From:cnoocy
Date:December 10th, 2007 04:35 pm (UTC)
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I'm not going to attempt to convince you to like the books, but you may want to read Scott Westerfeld's latest blog post (http://scottwesterfeld.com/blog/?p=352) about the "heroes kill God" claim.
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From:dv_girl
Date:December 10th, 2007 06:20 pm (UTC)
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Heh. I hadn't noticed the Coulter name in that context when I watched the film. Perhaps I would have enjoyed the film more if I'd thought it was meant as an attack on religion. Instead, while it was alright, it felt like a middle film. Empire Strikes Back or The Two Towers. It was lacking something but I haven't yet pinned down exactly what.

As to it being anti-church, I really didn't see it in the film. The Magesterium comes across as a corporation type government with some religious undertones. Not too different from Darth Vader's Empire and less rancorous than the government in V for Vendetta.

Also, as I do enjoy playing devil's advocate, might I suggest it's just as easily biblical metaphor as anti-church? Their 'pure' magic stands up to the false magic of the Magesterium and belies their falsehoods. Dust falls from the heavens and gives them strength. The compass points a way and Lyra is the only one who can read it.

Moses went before Pharoh and all the magic of his acolytes and transformed a stick into a snake, showing that his God and daemon were stronger than those of Pharoh. Then he lead the Israelites through the desert to a promised land. On the way, they were fed by mana from heaven.

It's not a perfect analogy but there are enough similarities that you might take my point. It's not an 'attack on religion'. It's a fantasy story.
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From:nefaria
Date:December 10th, 2007 06:36 pm (UTC)
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Interesting take on the story, but I've read the author's own word on what his story is about, and it's more or less what I described above. He's an agnostic who has a serious beef with Catholicism.
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From:dv_girl
Date:December 10th, 2007 07:20 pm (UTC)
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Perhaps, but I know several agnostics and atheists that have enjoyed CS Lewis' books despite his agenda. (Though, I must confess, not me personally. I disliked his stories before I was even aware of their bent)
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:December 10th, 2007 10:43 pm (UTC)
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Well, so am I.
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From:nefaria
Date:December 10th, 2007 11:40 pm (UTC)
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And I'm a Catholic who has a serious beef with atheism.
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:December 10th, 2007 10:40 pm (UTC)
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But Lyra's daemon is so cuuuute, especially in ferret form!
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:December 11th, 2007 01:08 am (UTC)
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Also: what the heck kinda furry are you anyway?! :}
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From:nefaria
Date:December 11th, 2007 10:10 am (UTC)
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I just like the hand-drawn furries much more than the computer-generated ones. And I'm picky. :)
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