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Aug. 17th, 2007

05:26 pm - Visited-ness

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EDIT: This post was originally a discussion about the list of categories on my "visited-states" map, but since I've finalized the list, I'm doing cleanup and have moved all the info to a more recent post. To get a map of your own, go there. (And yes, the offer is open indefinitely.) :}

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From:kinkyturtle
Date:August 17th, 2007 10:48 pm (UTC)
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Then there's the case that happened to me a few times when I was a kid: we visited someplace (most of these trips were visiting relatives), and I remember the visit, but I either didn't know at the time or have since forgotten what state it was, and later found out.

For instance, I have a clear memory of visiting relatives at a two-story house at the top of a grassy hill near some woods, and there were other kids there, and we were running around kicking a ball, and I tried to run across what I thought was a patch of dry soil, but it turned out to be a mud puddle and I slipped and got muddy, and had to take a bath while [whichever relative's house it was] washed my clothes.

I clearly remember that trip, but I didn't know until I asked Mom yesterday that it was in Occoquan, Virginia. Because I remember being on the land there, I feel that should count as 8 (spent at least one night in) instead of 1 (visited but don't remember).
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From:wbwolf
Date:August 17th, 2007 10:54 pm (UTC)
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To my mind, lived in and attended college in are redundant; 99.9% of the time you are going to a particular college, someone is living in the same state. There might be some weirdness regarding Washington, DC schools or the rare person that living in one state and commutes to the other, but that's rare. Also, driven and train with one stop can be collapsed, since they are both land transport. Flown over might be a bit much; I could say that I've flown over Alaska on the way to Japan, but I would never say that I've visited there. That gets it down to 7 or 8 categories, which would be bit better to handle.
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:August 18th, 2007 12:07 am (UTC)
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I dunno, aren't there lots of people who attend college out of state, and they live on-campus? I could specify 9 as "lived on college campus", so it wouldn't apply to the guy who commutes.

And I just know that if I don't add flying over, I'm gonna hear from someone who says, "Hey, I saw Mt. Shasta from the plane, it was one of the highlights of my trip, where's my 'flown over' category?" :}

But I think I agree with you about pit stops and train stops being conflatable. Trust me, if I can come up with a good coloring system, 10 categories won't be hard to handle. See my comment to Orv below.
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:August 19th, 2007 12:36 am (UTC)
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Ah, I misunderstood what you meant about college. See my latest post for clarification.
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From:orv
Date:August 17th, 2007 11:01 pm (UTC)
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I think the extra categories will make the maps more confusing without really adding much new information. I think they'll also make it harder to produce a good map from memory. I sure don't know which states I've flown over. ;)
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:August 17th, 2007 11:59 pm (UTC)
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Well, I wouldn't have ten unrelated colors; my list can be broken down into a few subcategories, indicated by certain colors, and each subcategory has a few specific levels, indicated by different tints. For example:

RESIDENCE
Red - live in
Light red - college

VISIT
Blue - spent a night
Light blue - visited for less than a day

PASS THROUGH
Dark green - pit stop
Medium green - train stop
Light green - no stops

FLY OVER
Purple - changed planes
Light purple - just flown over

NOT VISITED
Dark ecru - don't remember
Light ecru - never

And as I said, the "flown over" category is more specifically "flown over and can verify it". If you don't know what states you've flown over, you wouldn't mark anything "flown over".
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From:thecanuckguy
Date:August 18th, 2007 05:44 am (UTC)
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I know I mentioned my category which probably should go in there, but I don't know how many others share it with me:

During our trip out east in 1990 with the family (mom, dad, sis, ie long before I met my wife) we went to Niagara Falls, ON. From there, of course, you can see New York State (the American Falls are located in it), but I have never set foot in, or had any other dealings with, NY State aside from that. I always count it as a "subset" of states I've been to (I word it, since our trip out west last month added a new state for me, as "I've been to nine states, and seen ten", prompting, of course, conversation about NY's special case.)
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From:ringbark
Date:August 18th, 2007 08:27 am (UTC)
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2.5: Plane landed, but we didn't get off.
Never happened to me in the US, but it has happened on an international flight.
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:August 19th, 2007 01:38 am (UTC)
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I added that as a category to bring the list to an even dozen!

I don't think it's ever happened to me in the states either, but it did happen in Geneva on the way to Zürich.
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