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Dec. 16th, 2006

05:04 pm - It's the America-hating brigade again!

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Sheesh, what did Jimmy Carter do to piss off Michael Ramirez today?

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From:shelbystripes
Date:December 16th, 2006 11:48 pm (UTC)
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The Democrats in power today have the support of the voting public and haven't done anything "wrong" lately, so he's gotta reach back a bit to find a safe target to pick on.
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From:bluerain
Date:December 17th, 2006 01:07 am (UTC)
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Gee, "Jimmy Carter is stupid!" What a mature and insightful comment.

Ramirez, of course, has every right to say that, since he's won the Nobel Peace Prize and Carter never has. ...wait, do I have that backwards. Never mind.

Ramirez is a tool, but this one is beneath even him. When I do cartoons questioning George Bush's intelligence, I at least always give a specific reason.
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:December 17th, 2006 01:29 am (UTC)

Awards

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Zing!

Huh, according to various websites, Ramirez has won a Pulitzer. What for, I can't possibly imagine. Certainly not crap like this.

Hmm, some Googling indicates that Carter has written a book called "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid". Ahh, I get it, he's accusing Israel of South Africa-style tactics against the Palestinians, which is a no-no because the Republicans love Israel for some reason. Aren't they all a bunch of Fundamentalist Christians or something? I don't get it.

And y'know, it occurs to me that if Ramirez had lettered that mug to say "I Hate Israel" instead of "I Hate America", it would at least give a vague hint of what the hell this cartoon is supposed to be about.

Also, I'm wondering... where'd Carter get that mug? And wouldn't you just almost like to have one of your own, just to annoy the conservatives? :}
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From:wbwolf
Date:December 17th, 2006 01:07 am (UTC)
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From what I can tell, it's mainly because of Carter's a bit naive (tragically so) analysis of the Israel-Palestinian conflict, mainly putting the blame on the Israel. Somehow, blaming Israel is un-American, I guess. Or maybe it's not whole heartedly supporting dictatorships that are friendly to the US.
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From:nefaria
Date:December 17th, 2006 05:07 am (UTC)
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My big gripe with his book is that he lays almost all of the blame on Israel's shoulders, maintaining that the only fault with the Palestinians was "woefully misplaying their hand". In my opinion, the big problem with the Israel-Palestinian conflict is that the Palestinians never return kindness with kindness. Every time Israel gives them a piece of land back, they use it to launch more mortars at Israelis. So the Israelis have no motivation to be kind anymore, hence the war continues without end.
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From:orv
Date:December 17th, 2006 05:32 am (UTC)
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It's a bit of an oversimplification to say the Palestinians "never return kindness with kindness." Part of the problem is there's nothing you can call a unified Palestinian position. Their government is too weak to reign in the hard-line groups, and those groups can effectively veto any peace plan just by launching a few rocket attacks.
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From:nefaria
Date:December 17th, 2006 05:02 am (UTC)
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Those on the right have a far less charitable view of Carter than those on the left. His withdrawl of support for Nicaragua and Iran led to the overthrow of autocratic regimes by totalitarian regimes and planted the seeds of Islamist and Communist power networks in South America and the Mideast. He drastically cut our defense spending and tried to implement pacifism as a national policy, which led to weakening of the positions of many of our allies around the world. His economic policy was a disaster, with ridiculous inflation, interest rates, and chronic gas shortages.

I agree that he was a nice person, but I think he had too many knowledge gaps to be considered a good president.
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From:bluerain
Date:December 17th, 2006 05:26 am (UTC)
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People who support George W. Bush have roughly as much right to accuse other presidents of fatal "knowledge gaps" as people who listen to Ashlee Simpson have to accuse the Beatles of a lack of musicianship.
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From:nefaria
Date:December 17th, 2006 02:56 pm (UTC)
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No, I have as much right to judge Carter based on objective criteria as anyone else does. Just because Bush made a lot of mistakes in Iraq doesn't mean that all Democratic presidents are competent.

Actually, I think Bush and Carter have something in common: lofty goals combined with insufficient intellectual complexity to fulfill them.
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From:orv
Date:December 17th, 2006 05:36 am (UTC)
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Blaming gas shortages on Carter makes about as much sense as blaming Bush for high oil prices. OPEC was even more powerful then than it is now; the situation was out of his hands. He also wasn't alone in struggling with inflation; Nixon and Reagan both saw runaway inflation during their terms. Inflation depends a lot more on the actions of the Federal Reserve than those of the President, as I'm sure you'd point out if it were a Republican being criticized instead of a Democrat.
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From:bluerain
Date:December 17th, 2006 05:38 am (UTC)
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It's also worth noting that the first, and longest, gas lines were during the Nixon and Ford administrations.

Yes, I know Hannity claims otherwise. Hannity does not do his homework.
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From:thecanuckguy
Date:December 18th, 2006 12:16 am (UTC)
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Blaming gas shortages on Carter makes about as much sense as blaming Bush for high oil prices.

... or blaming Ronald McDonald for your lousy Big Mac.

The President may be the President, but he isn't God.
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From:penh
Date:December 17th, 2006 06:20 am (UTC)
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You know, with Jeanne Kirkpatrick having just died, I thought maybe I'd never have to hear that "autocratic vs. totalitarian" crap again. Know what the difference is? An autocratic regime was a brutal dictatorship that did what we told it to. A totalitarian regime was a brutal dictatorship that did what the Soviets told it to. What led to the overthrow of the regime in Iran was the fact that the regime was originally put into place by a CIA-backed coup and was thoroughly hated by most of Iran. Ditto for Nicaragua. Remember Daniel Ortega? You know, tall guy, black hair, mustache, American-sponsored Contras killed tens of thousands of Nicaraguans in an attempt to overthrow his government? That guy? He was just re-elected as President down there.

Also, I know I'm arguing in someone else's journal, and I'm bordering on the outright rude here, but seriously... Communist power networks in South America? Yeah, thank Weott we sank billions into keeping THOSE down. Why, if we'd allowed the Soviets to gain a foothold in South America, the utter collapse of the Soviet Empire under the crushing weight of their own incompetence might have been delayed a couple of months.
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From:kinkyturtle
Date:December 17th, 2006 06:45 am (UTC)
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He still is a nice person. Nicer than that liar and war criminal George W. Bush any day.
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From:(Anonymous)
Date:December 17th, 2006 08:43 am (UTC)
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Who broke inflation? Paul Volcker.
Who appointed Paul Volcker? Jimmy Carter.

The defense cuts were in his first budget. After that he pressed for 3% real increases annually, and ended up with 5%.

But I'll grant you the islamists, since it was Carter who started backing the mujahedeen in Afghanistan against the Soviets. Oops.
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